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DimadSoft
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:09 pm    Post subject: Insert chapters at user selected place(s) keeping menus Reply with quote

Starting with DvdReMake Pro 2.5.1 it is possible to insert programs to a pgc and chapters to titles. Together with implemented earlier "split cell" this allows DRM Pro user to insert a chapter point into movie. Of corse since all invloved actions are "smart" (i.e. they change navigation to keep playback the way it was before the action was invoked) your original menus will behave the way they are supposed to: chapter selection menus will still point to correct chapters. Inserting a chapter into movie is a three step procedure: 1. Select point in preview where chapter should be inserted, right click on the preview frame and select "split cell here" (keep in mind that frame in the preview will go to the second part of the split). This will create a new cell in all affected PGCs. 2. Select newly created cell in the PGC pane, right click and "Insert program". This will insert program (lets say number Z) into PGC which starts with your new cell. This is actually enough (most probably for all standalones) to stop at the selected point when using NEXT, PREV on your remote. 3. If you would like to be able to select this point by chapter# then go to the title for PGC where you've inserted program select chapter which points to program Z+1 (DRM always inserts things infront of the selected item), right click on it, select "insert chapter" and select chapter Z in the popuped dialog (should be selected by default). All these actions should be able to deal correctly with multi title disks as well. Enjoy! Smile There is a guide for this as well: http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremakepro/ht_insert_chapter.php

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this alter anything in the vobs, or is it just the navigational info in the ifo's???
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm testing it now, because I have a disc where they forgot to import the chapter index while remuxing. A better test cannot be imagined. While doing this there's one thing I find annoying. If you split in the wrong place (since you never can be too sure about the frame) there's no way to properly restore. Example: My vob is 4,3 gig. I want my first chapter point after the logo, and before the start of the main movie (same as the original is. Now I select a frame and do a split cell. Unfortunately, I misjudged the frame, and the first frame of the chapter is still the last frame of the logo. If I do a restore on cell 1, I get back to the 4,3 gig cell, which is good. I cannot delete cell 2, which is bad. This already means, that if I screw up, I must reload the project. This also means I need to save after each succesfull split. Furthermore, if I do a restore block on the cell 2, I also go back to the 4,3 gig cell, which means I now have 8,6 gig. If I split cell 2 into cell 2 and 3, and I do a restore on both, I get 12,9 gig, etc. Will post later if the functionallity worked, but the procedure might need a second look.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Functionallity works great. Menu links to the right chapters, and skipping etc. works great. Props for a good addition.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mirx wrote:
Does this alter anything in the vobs, or is it just the navigational info in the ifo's???
Navigation commands are modified everywhere. If there are related commands in BOV - they will be modified.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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While doing this there's one thing I find annoying. If you split in the wrong place (since you never can be too sure about the frame) there's no way to properly restore.
Frame in the preview will go to the second part of the split. Yes this actions can't be fully restored, as with everything else where structure of dvd changes. It will get better once delete things will be implemented (v3)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DimadSoft wrote:
Frame in the preview will go to the second part of the split. Yes this actions can't be fully restored, as with everything else where structure of dvd changes. It will get better once delete things will be implemented (v3)
I found that it doesn't always work this way. Very often (~4 out of 10) a couple of frames preceding the splitting point go to the next cell and vice versa: sometimes frames are stuck behind. It doesn't seem that this always relates to open GOPs. I'm pretty sure that some of the affected splits are those of the original chapter points in the movie. That's why I suggested timeline based split to be implemented. Is it a hard work to do?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

erdoke wrote:
... a couple of frames preceding the splitting point go to the next cell ...
That is supposed to be. DRM cuts at VOBU (GOP) boundary. So more accurate would be to say: "VOBU you are previewving will go to the second part of the split". If you are previewing frame in the middle of the VOBU, then you may have few frames "moved" to second part as well.
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... and vice versa: sometimes frames are stuck behind
This is strange. Are you sure it happens when you "split cell"? This is supposed to happen when you "cut from here" - in this case DRM removes everything -after- current VOBU, so some frames can still be after preview frame. If you mean a "frame accurate" cuts by "timeline cutting" then, I'm affraid, it will not happen soon.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's hard to implement, maybe showing VOBU start and end points would help to choose the appropriate point of splitting as well. Just to avoid splitting in the middle of a VOBU and go on finding a better place to split.
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