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(fixed 2.3.4) (2.3.0) The Matrix Export Not Correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AmigaFuture wrote:
Check: d_segments(i).firstSector == d_segments(i-1).lastSector + 1 - failed (line: 330 in file: VobData.cpp) Recovering C_ADT & VOBU_ADMAP tables.
I'm getting the exact same log when importing "Planet of the Apes" (R2 PAL) in 2.3.4. This title is also IlvU (seamless branching).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@AmigaFuture If you only want to keep one PGC - hide others. DRMP will split interleaved cells automaticaly. @RB It is not neceserily has something to do with ILVUs - just badly authored DVD. Usually DRM can fix this - takes some time to import disk but exports should be fine. Save it before doing anything - just in case you need to reopen.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what are you guys doing exactly as I have both these discs so I can have a play and see what is happening well Matrix region 2 and POTA 2 discer to be exact but they do have all the illvu crap in them Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@MackemX Hello. Smile Let me know if you have any problems following the...well, fallowing. This is what I've tested: Works in PowerDVD 5 & in Stand Alone Player but I refuse transcoding as a last step. 1) Use DVD Decrypter 3.2.3.0, 2) Import The Matrix (USA) with DvdReMake Pro 2.3.4, 3) Export DVD unmodified, 4) Use DVD Shrink 3.2 5) Plays fine in my DVD player. Works in PowerDVD 5, but not with Stand Alone Player. 1) Use DVD Decrypter 3.2.3.0, 2) Import The Matrix (USA) with DvdReMake Pro 2.3.4, 3) Export DVD deinterleaved, 4) Use DVD Shrink 3.2/Nero Recode 2 with last tests settings. 5) Plays fine with PowerDVD 5, but does NOT play correctly with White Rabbit mode, there's a Pause before & after WR. This way does not play correctly with PowerDVD 5 nor with my Apex AD-1110W DVD Player: 1) Use DVD Decrypter 3.2.3.0, 2) Import The Matrix (USA) with DvdReMake Pro 2.3.4, 3) Hide PGCs (Keeping 1) 6, 13, 14, 15 which are interleaved, 3a) Repeat with all PGCs, 4) Use Nero Recode 2 to test (Movie set the MAX quality, ALL subpictures on (this is a MUST with The Matrix I've learned, DVD+RW is the destination, Burn-At-Once is the ONLY option, I don't need Advanced Analysis since this is a test). Of course, these settings are very repeatable with DVD Shrink (3.1/2) if that's your preference; which I don't see much difference in since they're buy the same guy(s). 5) Play on Stand-Alone DVD player; Does NOT work. Meaning, WR choice screen comes right back. Thus far, I'm a little disgusted (NOT with Dimad, done a GREAT job & is attentive. Love this software!!!!!) that I cannot prepare my backup ("The Matrix") in a way I'd really like, like my original. I do not like transcoders (DVD Shrink, Nero Recode 2, CloneDVD 2) except for tests because below 80% I can see a major loss in Video quality in menus, extras & main movie...I guess there's something magic about my eyes & ears (I always encode my CDs at 320kbit because 128 sounds like junk) because I can hear/see differences. Okay, off my soap box...hope that helps & you're able to repeat what I've done. Please, let us know. I want to help make this software the best it can be. It truley ROCKS!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AmigaFuture wrote:
This way does not play correctly with PowerDVD 5 nor with my Apex AD-1110W DVD Player: 1) Use DVD Decrypter 3.2.3.0, 2) Import The Matrix (USA) with DvdReMake Pro 2.3.4, 3) Hide PGCs (Keeping 1) 6, 13, 14, 15 which are interleaved, 3a) Repeat with all PGCs, 4) Use Nero Recode 2 to test ... 5) Play on Stand-Alone DVD player; Does NOT work. Meaning, WR choice screen comes right back.
And why are you surprised? WR is in PGC 6.
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Works in PowerDVD 5 & in Stand Alone Player but I refuse transcoding as a last step. 1) Use DVD Decrypter 3.2.3.0, 2) Import The Matrix (USA) with DvdReMake Pro 2.3.4, 3) Export DVD unmodified, 4) Use DVD Shrink 3.2 5) Plays fine in my DVD player.
Transcoding by what program? If DVD-RB - then yes, it does not take interleaved
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@DimadSoft
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And why are you surprised? WR is in PGC 6.
As I said: 3) Hide PGCs (Keeping 1) 6, 13, 14, 15 which are interleaved Which was shorthand for keep 6, then do it all, then keep 13 & do it all, etc. Smile The only one that seemed to keep things as they should be was PGC 1. But, hey, I'm not an expert I'm just showing what I did & the results. Smile Maybe there's something I'm doing wrong? Please explain it to me... Hehe, I'd love to know & am doing a lot of checking the very little docs that are around. I don't know the DVD structure (but am slowly learning) & all the fine details (but trying like MAD to learn) like you, so I'm asking for *HHHHHEEELLLP*. Smile I could try again Hiding all PGCs except 6 again, but it'll probably yeild the same results, but for the sake of TRYING to catch/learn something I didn't before I'll do it in the morning & then re-transcode.
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Transcoding by what program? If DVD-RB - then yes, it does not take interleaved
I listed the prgs I've tried. DVD Rebuilder wasn't one of them. I understand completely that it does not handle multi angles nor interleaving. From me:
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I do not like transcoders (DVD Shrink, Nero Recode 2, CloneDVD 2) except for tests because below 80% I can see a major loss in Video quality in menus, extras & main movie
I hope this finds you in the GOOD faith intended.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We must be missing something. What is your goal and what are the problems you experience? If we understand it right you don't want to use transcoders on whole disk since it will do too much compression. There are -only- two options then (not considering complete reauthoring - you can find some guide sfor this on DOOM9 forum): 1) deinterleave ILVUs so that it can be processed with DVD-RB and CCE (i.e. - reencode, which usually gives better quality). But this will result in slight pauses on some players before and after WR appear on the screen (it was interleave din a first place to have a smooth playback). 2) split the disk: have half of it on one disk and the rest on another. Easy to do (just few mouse clicks in DvdReMake) and original quality. Why are you trying to hide PGCs? Hiding PGCs will not help you save space on the disk. They all use pretty much the same material. There are interleved pieces (with WR image) which are used in some PGCs but these are very small compared to the rest and you need to have them if you want to have WR option (if not - you only want movie with menus - just hide PGC 6 and VTS 1 and you are set - disk will require very little compression if any to fit DVD5). What we would suggest (if you don't want to split the disk): - hide menu transitions; - convert menus to stills (also will save some Mb); - hide "bullet time" block (last in VTS 1) as well as commentary; - hide/cut intro and credits - export In Shrink (or other transcoder) keep only one selected audio. This way you can have close to 80% compression ratio.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quick reply for now Smile have you tested the last method in PowerDVD before using DVDShrink/Recode? can I just check you are keeping the White Rabbit video features in VTS 1 etc also? just to make sure Wink what is your Shortest BOV Duration set to? (mine is 0.5) do you have Auto Bypass selected? (mine is deselected)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AmigaFuture wrote:
Works in PowerDVD 5, but not with Stand Alone Player. 1) Use DVD Decrypter 3.2.3.0, 2) Import The Matrix (USA) with DvdReMake Pro 2.3.4, 3) Export DVD deinterleaved, 4) Use DVD Shrink 3.2/Nero Recode 2 with last tests settings. 5) Plays fine with PowerDVD 5, but does NOT play correctly with White Rabbit mode, there's a Pause before & after WR.
what do you mean by deinterleaving? it as my brain is not following Sad can you tell me instructions such as what PGC/Chapters/Cells you are removing etc and then I can reproduce it Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@DimadSoft A quick reply for now.
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We must be missing something. What is your goal and what are the problems you experience?
My goal is to make an exact copy of my Matrix DVD. However I do not want to split it, I want to keep the WR...my kid & I enjoy checking out the extras at times when the WR comes on, so the only things I want to remove; the logo & warnings. Keep everything else without splitting into 2 DVD-5s. I usually use Nero Recode 2 or DVD Shrink to test the disk in my player to make sure everything is working, if the test works fine, then I try to final it with DVD Rebuilder using CCE. I do not mind using transcoders to test the exported project from DvdReMake Pro, once I know it works that way I then reencode with DVD Rebuilder, it takes a lot longer but the quality is a lot better....which is why I use transcoders for testing for Stand Alone DVD Player playback. Smile I think this part may have been what was confusing you.
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1) deinterleave ILVUs so that it can be processed with DVD-RB and CCE (i.e. - reencode, which usually gives better quality). But this will result in slight pauses on some players before and after WR appear on the screen (it was interleave din a first place to have a smooth playback).
If DVD Rebuilder currently supprted interleaving & multi-PGCs then I would go right to it without doing any transcoding tests. But since it does not, I am attempting to make the exported DVD project as compliant as possible for DVD Rebuilder so it'll work with it. I guess this wasn't as quick a reply as I'd hoped...haha! If I export the DVD without editing, transcode the project, write to DVD+RW there are NO problems viewing it except for a lot of video quality loss. If I export the DVD with just removing the Logos & Warnings then there is that pause (video & audio) before and after the WR shows even though I didn't hide any PGCs nor deinterleave anything. By the statement that deinterleaving IS going to cause a pause that makes it unwatchable that way (for me) then I'll have to keep the DVD put away untill DVD Rebuilder supports interleaving. That's why all the effort, hehe, I love all of The Matrix movies but won't keep my copies were they can get wrecked. I'll reply more later...I need to go for now. Peace! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again. Smile I tested a transcoded version that was edited on another DVD player & it played perfectly. Well, crap, haha...I guess I'll get new DVD/DivX player for the States by Philips & see how it works out. I wasn't thinking you were lying, Dimad, not at all...just ticked off that my Apex AD-1110W player doesn't play it correctly. Bummer! Now I'll edit it the way I want & try it with DVD Rebuilder. It it handles that fine, then (argh...the Apex player isn't that old but it didn't cost much either, whew!) I'll get the new one & see. I believe this topic is mute now. Thanks a lot guys for the replies, I *have* learned a bit from this experience. I Love DvdReMake Pro, now to play with it more & find out what all the other "Power" this bit of software has. Smile I wonder if a firmware update is available for my DVD player... Peace!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Dimad, Please read the recent posts at Doom9.net. Doom9's Forum > DVD and miniDVD > DVD Rebuilder > Buffer Overflow 0003 Errors. You stated here that The Matrix (USA) should work with DVD-Rebuilder after editing because it removes interleaving when you remove/hide Interleaved PGCs, so I tried it. Those recent posts I just asked you to read explains what I did. However jdobbs says it's not possible. I don't know if I found a bug in DvdRemake Pr 2.3.4. or not, but I decided to give it a go (finally) with DVD Rebuilder because of your statement. You did say that DVD-RB would cause "pauses", well, my new dvd player does pretty well so I wanted to try it. Smile Thanks.
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