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RickWJ324
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 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: Problems with aspect ratio on replaced menus |
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Ok... Not sure if anyone can help with this, but here goes:
I ripped the new GRINDHOUSE disc from Japan today. It has 2 menus, both of which are static (no motion) and the text is in Japanese. I followed the procedures of replacing the menus (followed the online instructions using muxman). I created replacement bitmaps that added English text and then replaced the originals. Everything lined up fine as far as the text and buttons go. I burned the disc and the computer plays it back fine. The menus are in 16:9 ratio.
Now, here's the problem. I have 3 tv sets all of which are standard ratios. I've played the burned dvd back on 3 standard dvd players and the menus all display properly on each TV set. However, I also have 2 Toshiba HD DVD players and when I play the disc on either of those players, the menus are all screwed up. The highlights for the buttons do not line up with the picture menu. Both of the HD DVD players are set to 4:3LB... the same as the 3 standard players. I've tried changing the "tv type" in the setup of the HD players, but nothing makes it display properly.
Any reason why the HD players would do this, but the standard players play fine? I'm using the same tv's for both and all of the players (standard and HD) are set to 4:3LB, because that is the proper display for my tv sets. I'm guessing if I had a widescreen HDTV connected to the HD players it would work fine. I just don't get why it's screwing it up liike this, but if I play an actual dvd that I purchased the menus are fine. Any suggestions?
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What method do you use to replace the menus - Replace with still or Replace block?
How do the menus display on the TV for the standard players? Does it look pan/scan (i.e. full screen with left and right side cropped)? How 'bout HD players? What does the aspect ratio in DRMP for the menus say? |
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RickWJ324
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| toaddub wrote: | What method do you use to replace the menus - Replace with still or Replace block?
How do the menus display on the TV for the standard players? Does it look pan/scan (i.e. full screen with left and right side cropped)? How 'bout HD players? What does the aspect ratio in DRMP for the menus say? |
I think your posting has helped me find the problem. I couldn't find the aspect ratio in DRMP for the menus, but after you asked that question I probed further and eventually found the settings for this. When I look at the project I had done, the menus video option on the right says: Conversion to 4:3 = Pan and Scan. I'm setting it to LETTERBOX and re-doing it. I'll let you know if that fixes it. I just didn't get why they displayed properly on some players but not others. I'll post my results later. |
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RickWJ324
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| RickWJ324 wrote: | | toaddub wrote: | What method do you use to replace the menus - Replace with still or Replace block?
How do the menus display on the TV for the standard players? Does it look pan/scan (i.e. full screen with left and right side cropped)? How 'bout HD players? What does the aspect ratio in DRMP for the menus say? |
I think your posting has helped me find the problem. I couldn't find the aspect ratio in DRMP for the menus, but after you asked that question I probed further and eventually found the settings for this. When I look at the project I had done, the menus video option on the right says: Conversion to 4:3 = Pan and Scan. I'm setting it to LETTERBOX and re-doing it. I'll let you know if that fixes it. I just didn't get why they displayed properly on some players but not others. I'll post my results later. |
Well, just finished re-doing it but it didn't work. The resulting menus weren't functional on the HD or SD players with this setting.
To answer your previous questions, I replaced with stills and the menus on the SD players show as full screen (no letterboxing) and the button highlights line up fine. On the HD players the menus are full screen (no black bars on top/bottom) but the button highlights are off. Again,I'm displaying this on a standard tv set (not HD widescreen).
The SD players all play the menus fine, the HD players do not. I even upgraded the firmware on both HD players last night thinking that might have something to do with it, but it didn't help. I'm stumped. |
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toaddub
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The aspect ratio is the display mode: wide or normal. It appears the menus are 16:9. Don't change the Conversion to 4:3 to letterbox; leave it as pan/scan. I suppose there are 2 button groups: wide and pan/scan - look at the Buttons pane to find out. So changing to letterbox is not going to help.
I'm not sure what's going on either. Replace with still simply replaces the menu background, nothing else is changed. Try this test for me. Start from the beginning, just hide all the VTS except the menus. Export and burn to DVDRW. Test on both SD and HD players to see if everything's fine.
btw, what version are you using? Pro? |
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RickWJ324
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| toaddub wrote: | The aspect ratio is the display mode: wide or normal. It appears the menus are 16:9. Don't change the Conversion to 4:3 to letterbox; leave it as pan/scan. I suppose there are 2 button groups: wide and pan/scan - look at the Buttons pane to find out. So changing to letterbox is not going to help.
I'm not sure what's going on either. Replace with still simply replaces the menu background, nothing else is changed. Try this test for me. Start from the beginning, just hide all the VTS except the menus. Export and burn to DVDRW. Test on both SD and HD players to see if everything's fine.
btw, what version are you using? Pro? |
I'm using 3.6.3 Pro. For the record, when I look at the original unaltered menus, the Video Display Modes to the right show as: NTSC 720x480, Display Wide 16:9, Conversion 4:3 pan/scan. After the replacement of the stills, I've made sure those settings were maintained and I've also tried the various other settings, none of them viewed properly. Again, it's only on the HD players! I'm really starting to think that those players just don't like it for some unexplained reason. Since the original disc is a R2 disc, I can't play it on the HD player, but I did burn an exact copy of the disc (with no menu changes) and the original menus play fine.
UPDATE: I just did what you suggested. I started from the beginning and hid all VTS except for these menus. Of the 2 menus, I left one as it is and the other I replaced the still. Both the unchanged menu and the changed menu still have the same properties, however the changed menu is again screwed up on the HD player, but both menus look fine on an SD player. Both menus appear to fill the entire tv screen (no bars on top or bottom), even though the menus appear to be widescreen on the computer. The menu that I changed fills the screen the same as the other, but the button highlights appear to stretch, thereby not lining up with the pictures that they highlight. Any other suggestions?
Another interesting note.... If I set the TV MODE on the HD player to 16:9, the menu buttons line up properly, but since my tv is NOT a 16:9 tv, the movie is stretched (top to bottom), so obviously this is not an option for me to set. |
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toaddub
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| RickWJ324 wrote: | | I started from the beginning and hid all VTS except for these menus. Of the 2 menus, I left one as it is and the other I replaced the still. Both the unchanged menu and the changed menu still have the same properties, however the changed menu is again screwed up on the HD player, but both menus look fine on an SD player. Both menus appear to fill the entire tv screen (no bars on top or bottom), even though the menus appear to be widescreen on the computer. The menu that I changed fills the screen the same as the other, but the button highlights appear to stretch, thereby not lining up with the pictures that they highlight. Any other suggestions? |
If you don't mind, I'd like to see the files for inspection. The first set is the original unaltered menus - just include ALL the IFOs and the menu VOB only. As for the second set, include from the DvdReMake output that you described above (one menu unchanged, one menu replaced) ALL the IFOs and the menu VOB. Zip these 2 sets of files up and upload to some file hosting site, like savefile.com. |
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| toaddub wrote: | | RickWJ324 wrote: | | I started from the beginning and hid all VTS except for these menus. Of the 2 menus, I left one as it is and the other I replaced the still. Both the unchanged menu and the changed menu still have the same properties, however the changed menu is again screwed up on the HD player, but both menus look fine on an SD player. Both menus appear to fill the entire tv screen (no bars on top or bottom), even though the menus appear to be widescreen on the computer. The menu that I changed fills the screen the same as the other, but the button highlights appear to stretch, thereby not lining up with the pictures that they highlight. Any other suggestions? |
If you don't mind, I'd like to see the files for inspection. The first set is the original unaltered menus - just include ALL the IFOs and the menu VOB only. As for the second set, include from the DvdReMake output that you described above (one menu unchanged, one menu replaced) ALL the IFOs and the menu VOB. Zip these 2 sets of files up and upload to some file hosting site, like savefile.com. |
Ok... I'll see what I can do. Not to sound too stupid, but how do I isolate the MENU VOB only? |
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| The menu vob is usually VTS_0x_0.VOB or VIDEO_TS.VOB. |
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