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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:38 am    Post subject: Still menu problem Reply with quote

Edited by DimadSoft: This was split from: http://cdr-zone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=890 ---------------------------------------------- IFOs are on the way to you. The DVD files reallocation problem is NOT present in 2.2.3, but persists in 2.3.0 and 2.3.1. Also, the still menu problem is present with all three versions I tested (2.2.3, 2.3.0, 2.3.1). The source was processed by DVD-RB and works without any problems, I didn't blank anything, just some PGC command editing in VTS 7, 8 and 9. The menu(s) in question is in VTS_01_0.VOB which I again didn't touch, DVD-RB doesn't touch menus too, as you know. Still a binary compare shows a huge amount of differences between the original and exported menu VOB.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DimadSoft wrote:
The differences should be only in nav-packs (can you check this - simple way to do it would be to use VOBRator or VobEdit to split vob into streams and compare these files)? Can you send a zip with nav-packs from both versions of the vob file? About menus. Are use sure it is not due to your editing? Can you export without editing? Just to make sure.
Files are on the way to you. Same problem in 2.3.3. To be absolutely sure, I ripped original DVD to ISO, imported into 2.3.3. and immediately exported without doing anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to explain to others:
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Same problem in 2.3.3.
refers to problem with still menus and has nothing to do with the subj of the thread which is fixed in 2.3.3. Please, guys, don't mix subjects - open a new thread (if simmilar problem is not posted yet)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@RB Thanks for files. It is a problem with the sources. Just take a look at VIDEO_TS.VOB (same thing is with VTS_01_0.VOB but it is bigger and harder to show). Open it in VobEdit and go to LBA 71: Take a look at the last packet in the block. Block size is fixed: 2048 bytes. so the last packet should end at the end of the block. But the info in the block about packet is wrong. This just messes everything up for DvdReMake.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dimad, are you sure about this? the size of the padding stream length does not include the bytes that contain the information regarding the padding (6 bytes), neither are the bytes for the video info (20 bytes) the pack header info is 20 bytes (everything up to and including length in video stream) the padding info is 6 bytes long (everything up to and including length in padding stream) add the length of the video stream (everything from Pes header data content flags up to Padding Stream start code) add the length of the padding (everything from Padding Stream start code up to and including length in padding stream) add these four values together and you should get 2048 Smile I can see by the value on the left the video stream length is 01d6 which is 470 so adding them together you get 2048 (20+6+470+1552) the others are all 07ec (2028) as there is only the nav pack info which is 20 bytes Smile and no padding stream info I may be wrong in my explanation of how to work it out correctly but it works in any VOB I check so I hope you follow anyway Smile Can I help in any way with this issue at all by looking at the files or something? I can't follow the thread that well as I'm quite tired now so I don't understand the issue if there is one now seeing as it says the Nero part is fixed in the thread title or is this the menu issue Smile p.s. I get 2025 if I add it using the way you showed in any VOB I check
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed. You are right about bytes counting MackemX. We will have to look into this issue again. What a pity Smile it was so convenient to say that it is a problem with files Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure you will sort it Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:59 pm    Post subject: RE: Still menu export problem AND missing files thread Reply with quote

@Dimad Byte count or Not! I spent about 8.5 hours with 2.3.3 last night/morning going over still menu discs/motion menu disks/previously authored disks and newly authored disks. They All burned Flawlessly!!! This problem we're discussing here is not a ReMake problem! It could only be a problem either in the master image (maybe pre-edited disk) or it could be a problem with RB (OR) a problem in RH's procedure. End of Story. Thanks for the superb troubleshooting! 2.3.0 and 2.3.1 showed visible evidence of how complex this little proggy is. I sure am glad you know how it works ! Rolling Eyes Laughing N.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@NowWhereWasI Thanks a lot for testing. Yes, last problem reported about menus playback was for really old version (like for 1.something). @RB The differences in files you've sent are due to some unused cells in original disk which DvdReMake removes automaticaly. May be there is something else, but it is hard to find. What is the location of the problematic menu (PGC #, cell #)?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DimadSoft wrote:
@RB The differences in files you've sent are due to some unused cells in original disk which DvdReMake removes automaticaly. May be there is something else, but it is hard to find. What is the location of the problematic menu (PGC #, cell #)?
It's VTS_01 menu 103 (VOB-ID 121). I didn't try 2.3.4 yet, did you change anything in this area. At least MacemX seems to have identified a bug, did you fix that one? Maybe it's what causing this?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RB wrote:
At least MacemX seems to have identified a bug, did you fix that one? Maybe it's what causing this?
Well, it was not a bug. Just a "genius" idea deep at night Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little confused now Smile You said that something is wrong with the original VOBs but MackemX seemed to prove that everything is OK and you agreed. Now is DVDReMake treating these original VOBs I sent you correctly or not? I processed this DVD again with 2.3.4 and the problem is still there... but I must admit only in WinDVD. IFOEdit player and my standalone don't exhibit this (black screen with only button highlights visible). Still, as it doesn't happen with the original disc, maybe some further investigation is worth thinking about Smile Also, I processed two other DVDs that had the same type of menu (motion video followed by a still menu) and all was fine, even in WinDVD.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RB wrote:
Now is DVDReMake treating these original VOBs I sent you correctly or not?
Yes. You know, deep at night things... lets say ...seams. Smile
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Still, as it doesn't happen with the original disc, maybe some further investigation is worth thinking about Smile
Yep, just find another one like this Smile May be it will be easier to figure out with another one.
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Also, I processed two other DVDs that had the same type of menu (motion video followed by a still menu) and all was fine, even in WinDVD.
Cool.
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