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Half D1 resolutions would be an extremely desirable feature
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Would you like to see half D1 resolution output supported?
Yes
90%
 90%  [ 9 ]
No
10%
 10%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 10

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shatner
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject: Half D1 resolutions would be an extremely desirable feature Reply with quote

I think this would be a very useful feature, especially as I imagine this app is used extensively for TV shows etc. It would be nice to cram a few more eps onto a single layer DVD. Or even a double layer one.
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you explain a little more? i dunno what it is Smile
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JJ
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is list of specs on DVD - I would like to see Half D1 and VCD resolutions included. Many users are transferring their old VHS to DVD, and VHS resolution is about the same as Half D1 when tape is good, bad tape is VCD quality. VCD quality means roughly four times as much video to same DVD, so we might get up to 16 hours on DVD5.
    PAL Video: Up to 9.8 Mbps* (9800 kbps*) MPEG2 video Up to 1.856 Mbps (1856 kbps) MPEG1 video 720 x 576 pixels MPEG2 (Called Full-D1) 704 x 576 pixels MPEG2 352 x 576 pixels MPEG2 (Called Half-D1, same as the CVD Standard) 352 x 288 pixels MPEG2 352 x 288 pixels MPEG1 (Same as the VCD Standard) 25 fps* 16:9 Anamorphic (only supported by 720x576)
    NTSC (NTSC Film) Video: Up to 9.8 Mbps* (9800 kbps*) MPEG2 video Up to 1.856 Mbps (1856 kbps) MPEG1 video 720 x 480 pixels MPEG2 (Called Full-D1) 704 x 480 pixels MPEG2 352 x 480 pixels MPEG2 (Called Half-D1, same as the CVD Standard) 352 x 240 pixels MPEG2 352 x 240 pixels MPEG1 (Same as the VCD Standard) 29,97 fps* 23,976 fps with 3:2 pulldown = 29,97 playback fps (NTSC Film, this is only supported by MPEG2 video) 16:9 Anamorphic (only supported by 720x480)
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JJ for people like me you would be able to fine screenshots like VCD Quality Half D1 Quality Quality at the min or something. Smile 16hrs of video Neutral on DVD5 be great if its watchable quality
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JJ
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screenshots? Only real use would be to show amount of detail in them, but as originals are from different sources this is not good way to check quality. But - normal TV is same as Half D1, most videorecorders lose a little quality when recording and played back, so their quality is VCD standard. Only real use at the moment for better resolution is DVD (or DivX-compatible player) used with Full D1 resolution. HDTV is coming but it is not so common yet. Some idea about what happens to VHS when grabbed and converted to Full D1 - original picture has only 480 scanlines (NTSC) so it can not hold more than 480 pixels of data. This is worsened by fact that it is interlaced; so every other line is in every other picture, lowering real resolution to 240 pixels on NTSC. Now - to convert this original (352x240/480pixels) to Full D1 (720x480pixels) requires program to either add pixels or duplicate them because original simply does not have enough. Simple effect of this can be seen when you watch a picture that is lo-res and enlarge it to fill screen - pixels are duplicated and it does not look good. Half D1 on TV however - user normally does not even see the difference, because TV is not showing digital pixels and because TV resolution is close to Half D1. Only way to spot difference between Full D1 and Half D1 is to convert a movie that has lot of details in both formats and compare them.


example720x480.jpg
 Description:
Picture in 720x480 pixels - quite readable in 100% size.
 Filesize:  114.1 KB
 Viewed:  4540 Time(s)

example720x480.jpg



example360x240.jpg
 Description:
Same picture in 360x240 size - all blurred.
 Filesize:  40.61 KB
 Viewed:  4540 Time(s)

example360x240.jpg


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JJ
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then again - from small original you can get quite ok big screen version, point is that why use big screen when original is lo-res and it can not get any better when inflated? Using small screensize allows up to 4x video.


example_small.jpg
 Description:
small picture - VCD
 Filesize:  13.42 KB
 Viewed:  4535 Time(s)

example_small.jpg



example_big.jpg
 Description:
big picture - Full D1
 Filesize:  39.2 KB
 Viewed:  4535 Time(s)

example_big.jpg


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joemailey
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good stuff JJ Smile thanks
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shatner
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, those are good examples.
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shatner
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well looks like 'yes' is leading the poll so far ! Smile
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shatner
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO what's the latest news on this?
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Guy
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This would be a REALLY good thing. I'd love to know if there's any chance of it happening anytime soon.
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JJ
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest news in no news. This is such big addition that it can't be done before next big release, maybe in version 3. We can hope ... Very Happy
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shatner
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news on this for version 3? Smile
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claire
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I dont think it was added to the bug tracking as a feature request, I have added it http://bugs.vso-software.fr/view.php?id=348.
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herac8888
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Version 2.2.3 or higher can be changed to HALF D1 if you edit a registry setting.

\HKCU\software\VSO\ConvertXToDVD\settings\img_processing\output_resolution_mode

change the string there from

ORM_FULL_D1

to

ORM_HALF_D1

then open ConvertXToDVD and when you convert it will force res to 352x480 for NTSC, 352x576 for PAL
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