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Remake Pro & Rebuilder Audio Sync

 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Remake Pro & Rebuilder Audio Sync Reply with quote

I have been using DVDReMake Pro for some time now and process the output with DVD-Rebuilder/CCE. Has been working flawlessly up until the last two updates of DVDReMake where absolutely hopeless audio sync probs have surfaced. I can process and untouched DVD through DVD-Rebuilder/CCE and the resulting iso is the usual excellent quality. Now if I use the newer version/s of DVDReMake.. you know the rest. As I haven't kept earlier versions of Remake Pro, are they still available for download as I want to start tracking backwards to see if I can locate where the incompatibility crept in. Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi and welcome to our forums! Can you elaborate on the audio sync problems? What version do you have now? And what previous version do you need? To get previous version, you might want to PM DimadSoft or email him your username at Dimadsoft site and registered email address so he can temporarily provide a link for you to download. In the future, always keep zipped previous versions so you have something to fall back on. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Currently using DRM Pro v3.3.2, audio sync problems appeared with v3.3.1 DVD-Rebuilder is v1.06.1 All output now has audio about 10secs ahead of where it normally would be. If rebuilder processes the same DVD original without any pre-processing from DRM then it's ok. You're so right about keeping earlier version, all was ok up until recently. Had such a trouble free run, decided to do a general clean up.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All output now has audio about 10secs ahead of where it normally would be.
Does this include audio in menus? Only in movie VTS or in every VTS (previews, special features, etc)? Any particular dvd or in every dvd you tried? How about a name so we can try to duplicate. Are there any particular operations that you do?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@toaddub I like the way you go about delving into an issue, thanks. I'm not home at the moment, will check into the info required @ get back later today. Appreciated. As a side thought, after exporting the files from DRM I tried making ISO's with DVDCLONE & RECODE2 - Guess what ! - No audio issues at all Leaning towards an issue that ReBuilder has possibly lost something.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@toaddub The last two DVD's that I have tried are: Man about the House, & Bewitched. Have only continued to check into issue with Bewitched. Pretty much all I do is remove the usual warnings, and any other pre-amble so that on playback it goes straight to the menu selection which remains standard as per release. All audio sync in Menus, Special features, and trailers is good. Sync issue only occurrs with the main movie which is VTS_03_1 All that I do to this is remove the very first block (movie studio blurb) (Right click > select 'Hide Block') Export all files. As the sync issue is only with VTS_03_1 and the only change being the hiding of the first block, the obvious needed to be tried. Export VTS_03_1 without touching the first block. Guess what ? No more sync problem. Questions now are: 1. Is Remake not compensating or adjusting this change 2. Is ReBuilder not processing output correctly 3. Can I manually process it differently
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Bewitched R1? After hiding the first block, did you test this on different software players to see if they all have audio sync issues? To test on your dvd players, hide all the other VTS, except VTS 3. On VTS 3, hide the first block, leave a few blocks untouched, then hide the rest of the blocks after the untouched blocks. No need to see the whole movie. Export and burn to RW. If there's audio sync issue, it should be obvious at the start of movie. I think you can do the same test on Rebuilder as well. Let us know how your test goes.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bewitched is R4 Hide all VTS's other than 3, hide 1st block of VTS 3, left two blocks then hide the rest. Tested output with PowerDVD v5 & Nero Showtime v 2.0.1.4 > all good Processed output with ReBuilder > sync problem still there. As mentioned earlier, I think Rebuilder is not processing correctly.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally resolved: The first block which was hiden, merely moved to the right so it now sits as the 2nd block. Exported again, processed with ReBuilder > all sweet. Does this seem to be an abnormality or some sort of beneficial audio sync offset ? No figuring at times.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dslamer wrote:
The first block which was hiden, merely moved to the right so it now sits as the 2nd block.
What do you mean by moved to the right?
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Tested output with PowerDVD v5 & Nero Showtime v 2.0.1.4 > all good
Software players are usually more forgiving than standalones, which are the real test.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some screen grabs to show what I did. Exported files were processed with Rebuilder, burnt to a RW and tested in Pioneer standalone player. All good.


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Right click 1st block and select 'Hide block'
 Filesize:  113.13 KB
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02.jpg
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Shows block as edited
 Filesize:  101.37 KB
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03.jpg
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Right click again and select 'Move Right'
 Filesize:  113.58 KB
 Viewed:  1912 Time(s)

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, that's what I thought afterwards you mean by that. But, in general, you shouldn't have to do that. To eliminate another factor, try Rebuilder alone on the original source - no ReMake preprocessed. Use the segment editor in Rebuilder to blank the first segment of movie, leave a couple of segments alone, then blank the rest and other VTS. Run as no compression and full backup. Then check for audio sync issue.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem, audio sync good from above process. Does this lead us back to Remake ? Not so sure as ISO's pre-proccessed earlier in the piece were good when compressed with CloneDVD & Recode2 Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dslamer wrote:
Does this lead us back to Remake ?
Maybe, maybe not. If this problematic behavior is consistent on other dvds, then let us know. I'll try on my end to see if it happens. Edit: there's no audio issue when hiding first block of movie in DRM, and process with Rebuilder. The same is true for playing DRM output only.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ran my normal processes on 'Stealth' R4 No problems.
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