Interleave / Multi-angle. Please help.

[Elbrin]

Hi all, First off I must say I am very very new to all this DVD backing up and encoding. Several weeks ago I decided I wanted to to back up my DVD's so the family could use or abuse the discs and my collection was still in good shape. My first attempts were using DVD Decrypter with DVD Shrink. The results seemed OK but the more I read and tried to learn, the more I kept seeing that DVD Rebuilder with CCE was the way to go for quality. With all that said and done, a few days ago I purchased CCE Basic, and began using DVD Rebuilder with CCE Basic. At first I did get Error 0004 but I got rid of that by switching to an older .dll file (dated April not May). Now I have come across a new learning opportunity. WHen trying to back-up ID4 (INdependence Day) and Pearl Harbor Disc 2, I got the Interleave/Multi-angle message. Further reading said Rebuilder has a problem with this sort of thing. I am still not quite certain if I totally understand what they are but that is a topic for a different day. I stumbled across DVD Remake and this forum and saw the thread about multi-angle. I read it but it never said How. I downloaded the Remake demo to try to better understand. It seems simple enough. Right click and choose Hide Blocks. To end this long drawn out post I have several questions: 1) How do I identify Interleave or Multi-angle blocks to hide? 2) Will Remake be the right tool, or should I consider purchasing Remake Pro? I am not certain if Pearl Harbor having well over 30 chapters across 2 discs has anything to do with the problem. I thought I read somewhere about troubles when a movie has too many chapters. Any and all help and guidance would be appreciated. THank you for your time and attention.

[old-hack]

Partial answer. Disc 1 of Pearl Harbor does not have multiple angles. Disc 2 does because there is non-English titling near the end of the movie. To remove angles in DVDRemake Pro, select the title set of the movie and right-click. If the "strip angles" option is visible (not grayed out), you can strip the angles in that movie. If it is grayed out, DVDRemake Pro does not recognize any additional angles in that title set. If you have multiple versions of a movie (like theatrical version and director's cut) in a title set, there will be multiple PGCs of nearly equal length (size) under "Program". Opening the movie VTS in IFOEdit will show you the movie time for each PGC so you can determine which one you want to keep. Back in DVDRemake Pro you can select the PGC you don't want, right-click, and select "hide blocks" to remove that PGC.

[old-hack]

I recently used DVDShrink and DVDRebuild on Star Wars Episode 1. DVDShrink produced a final movie of 4.35 G while DVDRebuild produced a final movie of 4.31 G. The movie was 2hr 16 minutes long. I could not tell any difference in quality but I could in the amount of time to reach the final product. DVDShrink focuses on putting the most bitrate quality in the main movie while DVDRebuild sees everything as the movie (i.e. motion menus and movie). So motion menus received the same quality encoding as the main movie. For longer movies, I would be inclined to let DVDRebuild (with CCE Basic) produce my backup.

[old-hack]

DVDRebuild can not process multi-angle movies. That's just a fact of life for DVDRebuild. So to get your DVD material in a format that DVDRebuild can use, you have to strip angles using either DVDDecryptor during the rip phase or IFOEdit (if you like the manual process) or DVDRemake Pro 2.1. DVD Stripper may do it as well, but I don't have any angle stripping experience with DVD Stripper. Once you have a non-multi-angle movie, DVDRebuild will process, encode, and rebuild a DVD-5 version of your movie.

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[Elbrin]

I went ahead and purchased Remake Pro ysterday. I used it to "Strip angles" from one group and used it to hide warning messages from another. I did the export. I loaded it into to DVD Rebuilder. Prepare worked OK. It encoded OK (CCE Basic 2.69), but now I am getting the dreaded Error #0004. I tried using the files straight from Remake and I also tried converting the Remake export to an ISO. Both times during the rebuild I get Error #0004. Is there a problem with Remake and VD Rebuiler?

[old-hack]

I got this error #0004 with DVDRemake Pro 2.0.1 but not when stripping with DVDRemake Pro 2.1. I assume since you bought DVDRemake yesterday that it is the most current version. Another thing to check is whether the movie has interleaving typically associated with multiple movie versions using common cells but selecting the unique cells for whichever version you've chosen to play back. For instance, Kate & Leopold had both multiple angles and interleaving of the original version with the director's cut. Once you selected the version you wanted to see, the playback would select the cells common to both and the unique cells for the version you wanted to watch during playback. To see if you have interleaving or seamless branching, click on the title set of the movie and then expand programs. If you see 2 or more PGCs and they are the same size you have a seamless branched/interleaved movie title. From there you will need to figure out which version you want. When you know that, you can select the PGC you don't want, right click, and hide all blocks. DVDRebuild is finicking about original source DVD material and intact DVD structure. Try running DVDRebuild using your original DVD source files. If you don't get the error, then the ripping process modified the structure enough to cause error #0004.

[Elbrin]

O-H, Thanks for the pointers. I finally got the sucker to rebuild. The problem child was Pearl Harbor Disc 2. Several I observed through this whole ordeal: 1) After I used Remake to hide some warnings and get rid of multi angle, I would get a CCE error when trying to encode if I used the "Steal Space" option. 2) In addition to the multi-angle, there was a PGC 2 in the same TS as the movie. PGC 2 containe only a few cells but they contained video. Bottom line is this. I removed the multi-angle, hid the PGC 2 in the movie TS, took out warning messages, deleted buttons to audio which I was not going to encode, and did not use the "Steal Space" option in DVD Rebuilder. The files prepared, encoded, and rebuilt with no problems. Burnt the final Video_TS Nero and the final disc worked fine. I think I read somewhere that Disney was notorious for adding multi-angles. One person even speculated as to if it were an intentional thing to thwart DVD back-ups.

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